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any reason you are running your lower links mounted on top of the axle tube?

As for your lower link, try not to go much more than 3-4 degrees of angle. parallel at ride height is pretty ideal. this keeps everything "arching" in the same direction with bump and droop travel. also helps reduce impact loading.

The calculator... I was setting it up as u stated above but the # where not looking great. I was trying to keep the lowers frame side above the bottom of the frame for clearance (have the tcase above the bottom of the frame), and it worked with keeping upper and lower links same length, nothing is set in stone yet, working on getting my shocks mounted, plan to go back and run things through the calculator (after u all gave any input as to why I'm fucking up). Running 16" king 2.5 coil overs and planning to center them over the housing ends with 6" up and 9 1/8" down (removed 7/8" from the # because of the lower spring cup and rubber bump stop) and of course the stops before I get the full travel. I've been reading, reading, reading and searching anything I can to better understand everything, this is my 1st suspension set up at this level and I am open to all feed back...
 
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The calculator... I was setting it up as u stated above but the # where not looking great. I was trying to keep the lowers frame side above the bottom of the frame for clearance (have the tcase above the bottom of the frame), and it worked with keeping upper and lower links same length, nothing is set in stone yet, working on getting my shocks mounted, plan to go back and run things through the calculator (after u all gave any input as to why I'm fucking up). Running 16" king 2.5 coil overs and planning to center them over the housing ends with 6" up and 9 1/8" down (removed 7/8" from the # because of the lower spring cup and rubber bump stop) and of course the stops before I get the full travel. I've been reading, reading, reading and searching anything I can to better understand everything, this is my 1st suspension set up at this level and I am open to all feed back...


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So this is my current 4 link set up with standard 4 link with the coilovers mounted to the top of the axle tube and upper link mounts.

My lowers are damn near the bottom of the frame. the bottom of the joint hangs below by 0.25" inches. It ended up this way due to packaging.

The best way to start is to measure out where you have room on the truck to fit everything. So what I end up doing before starting the building the 4 link calculator, I roll under the truck and take a bunch of ball bark measurements so I have an idea of what space I have to work with.

Start to measure:
1. How wide you can spread the lower link separation
2. The shortest height from ground for the uppers above the diff. this way you know the minimum number and then move the height up as you adjust the geometry later
3. lower and upper link length from center line of the axle to where you want to land the link mounts on the frame.
4. lower link frame mount, height from ground - Minimum and maximun
5. lower link separation, min and max
5. upper link frame mount, height from ground, min and max
6. Upper link separation, Min and Max

This should give you an idea of the space you have to work in to get the geometry to the numbers you want with the least amount of modifications to the chassis. Now, this is where compromise will start to come into play and then decide how much you want to modify the chassis to achieve better geometry.
 
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Anyone have exp and anything so share about RockJock antirock sway bars, or just anything to said about said??
 

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Anyone have exp and anything so share about RockJock antirock sway bars, or just anything to said about said??
No experience but I've heard good things from everyone. Currie typically makes good stuff.

I think @Hank installed one on @RaceTruk's tacoma.

Yep. Just buttoned up the last bit on @RaceTruk and loading it on the trailer for the shake down trip. 10 days of wheeling ought to be enough for test and tune. I'll let you know what we find out about a sway bar after this trip.

So far, we did a 50" universal sway bar with a 1" bar from Rock Jock (Currie). its pretty flexy just flexing it out on with the jack without springs on the shocks. It's limited the "flex" using a jack to about 16-18" which is actually pretty good considering the truck has 22-23 total travel.

but for now that's all we know of the sway bar. We also installed it because the geometry was not quite 100% but that's the comprise we made for packaging the 4 link in the truck. here is the final 4 link numbers for his truck:

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Any reason why folks aren't using the newest version (v4) of the link calculator that was put out in 2016, other than there are so many copies of the older version nobody knows about it?
 

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Any reason why folks aren't using the newest version (v4) of the link calculator that was put out in 2016, other than there are so many copies of the older version nobody knows about it?
Maybe someone needs the “link” :drum:
 

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Any reason why folks aren't using the newest version (v4) of the link calculator that was put out in 2016, other than there are so many copies of the older version nobody knows about it?

Nice, front and rear suspension. Way cool.

4 bar linkage calculator v4.0:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwirx471qZ3wAhVwGDQIHYSvD9EQFjAAegQIBBAD&url=http://bushie39.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/4BarLinkV4.0-Beta.xlsx&usg=AOvVaw3TSJn7U1cIPKvhcb3tTQMJ
 
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Has anyone used ballistic fab's axle side lower link mounts for a 3" axle tube and knows the mounting bolt center to weld surface distance?

I've got them on order but who knows when I'll get them and I can't find drawings on ballistics website.

I've got most stuff on order, trying to start getting some solid numbers to work with.
 

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Has anyone used ballistic fab's axle side lower link mounts for a 3" axle tube and knows the mounting bolt center to weld surface distance?

I've got them on order but who knows when I'll get them and I can't find drawings on ballistics website.

I've got most stuff on order, trying to start getting some solid numbers to work with.
I have the 22.5° offset ones in the garage. Not sure if that is what you are looking for?
 
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I have the 22.5° offset ones in the garage. Not sure if that is what you are looking for?
Damnit, I forgot you had your lowers triangulated. Not sure if you could extrapolate the distance for a 0 degree from what you've got.
 

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Damnit, I forgot you had your lowers triangulated. Not sure if you could extrapolate the distance for a 0 degree from what you've got.
I could give some measurements but not sure how accurate they would be. Remind me this evening to measure when I get home.
 

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Discussion on links lengths and differing strengths....?
What I've read says don't go over 48"
Intended use is always a factor.
Joint sizing/type, bolt sizing, upper vs lower

just looking 4 anything someone wants to chime in with (read, read, & watched misc shit), just seeing if anything shared may send me down a new rabbit hole like misc other info shared above.
 
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So I've been running # on both calculators and with the same info I'm getting very different #, example on the old 1 my anti-squat is at 77% while on new i'm at 38%... could just b being stupid, anyone else used them and cing said??
 

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So I've been running # on both calculators and with the same info I'm getting very different #, example on the old 1 my anti-squat is at 77% while on new i'm at 38%... could just b being stupid, anyone else used them and cing said??

If you leave the front drive bias at .5 it will cut your anti squat in half. V3 assumes 2wd. The readme tab tells you all the info on how to work the speadsheet.
 
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That calculator does so much I need to spend a few days going through it just to ask questions about what it can do.... glad there r smart peeps out there to make things like it to help idiots like myself.
 
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