Front tube bumper design & winch mount considerations

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I was planning to mount it up higher but it was gonna look stupid as hell. I’ll probably add a tube behind that for some rigidity if I hit shit
Good idea. Do you have room to run a tube from that intesection all the way to another intersection?
 

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That looks great. If I ever get a T4R, those bumpers will be at the top of the list.

Its an awesome bumper, but their advertised lead time was 6-8 weeks.... ended up taking 13 weeks, and I only got a response from them via email AFTER I wrote a long blog post about their shitty service on Reddit and T4R forums.

Buddy of mine and @WrenchnWheel had similar experience, where his took like ~10 weeks

Product is great.... when you eventually get it.
 

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Lead times suck especially when the fabricator isn’t a good communicator. The worst is getting the run around. I had some parts that took nearly 10 months to eventually get shipped which is bullshit especially when full payment was due up front with an 8 week lead time.
 

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Lead times suck especially when the fabricator isn’t a good communicator. The worst is getting the run around. I had some parts that took nearly 10 months to eventually get shipped which is bullshit especially when full payment was due up front with an 8 week lead time.

Yeah, I was pretty close to just calling VISA and reversing the charge.

When my buddy ordered his stuff from Addicted Offroad, he specifically reached out to them via phone and instagram to confirm that 6-8 weeks was realistic. Over and over they said "YES, we'll get it to you in time" and they spent a ton of time advertising their "sales".

So they basically focused a ton on getting a bunch of orders in, then going quiet ..... delivering more than 10 weeks later .

I was a bit worried that this was gonna be another Pelfreybilt ...
 

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Yeah, I was pretty close to just calling VISA and reversing the charge.

When my buddy ordered his stuff from Addicted Offroad, he specifically reached out to them via phone and instagram to confirm that 6-8 weeks was realistic. Over and over they said "YES, we'll get it to you in time" and they spent a ton of time advertising their "sales".

So they basically focused a ton on getting a bunch of orders in, then going quiet ..... delivering more than 10 weeks later .

I was a bit worried that this was gonna be another Pelfreybilt ...
Sad to say that’s pretty much the norm for the fabrication industry
 

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Sad to say that’s pretty much the norm for the fabrication industry

There are exceptions.....

My front plate bumper was done by Morgan who runs At The Helm fabrication.

He asked for a $200 (EDIT: Actually it was only a $100 after double checking what I put down) non-refundable deposit which I paid, he said the bumper would be done in 4 weeks, he called me a couple of days before the 4 weeks was up and sent me the balance due which I paid and it was shipped out 2 days later.

Can’t say enough about the professionalism of that dude. Much respect to him.
 
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There are exceptions.....

My front plate bumper was done by Morgan who runs At The Helm fabrication.

He asked for a $200 non-refundable deposit which I paid, he said the bumper would be done in 4 weeks, he called me a couple of days before the 4 weeks was up and sent me the balance due which I paid and it was shipped out 2 days later.

Can’t say enough about the professionalism of that dude. Much respect to him.
I remember him, he’s a stand up dude that seems to work out of his garage? Less overhead and being your own boss I’m sure makes it easier than these shops that promise and disappoint
 

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Ouch, that's why I just decided to make my own stuff. It's not pretty but I don't have to put up with the run around.
Lol. You do have to put up with the run around and the delay because you can yell at the asshole that's causing it. I mean you could but you might end up in a comfe jacked in a padded room.
 

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My idea with bumpers is that the plating should only be there to direct wind and animal carcasses.

The strength in anything is always in the frame and structure of the thing itself. That's where the tube works well.

Any bumper that is going to see abuse, I make from Sched. 80 1.5". That's .200 wall tubing. At that thickness, you're looking at a 30,000+ PSI yield strength. In other words, with a properly thought out structure, you're going to bend frame rails before you fuck up that bumper.

I've been procrastinating the building of a bumper for my rodeo for months now. I had a quick little perimeter structure welded up and it's been all but abandoned behind the shop for 4 months. I didn't like how it ended up and I think I will be starting over. I want a winch mount but would like to keep it mounted ontop instead of in the front of the bumper. However, the placement of the frame rails relative to the area of the vehicle I wish to "protect" means that I'll end up with a ton of leverage on the frame rails if the winch is mounted atop the bumper. Not to mention that the bumper itself will end up being rather tall, and as such, any impact will place excess leverage on the mounts.

It's a design quirk I can't get around and one which frustrates me.
 

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My idea with bumpers is that the plating should only be there to direct wind and animal carcasses.

The strength in anything is always in the frame and structure of the thing itself. That's where the tube works well.

Any bumper that is going to see abuse, I make from Sched. 80 1.5". That's .200 wall tubing. At that thickness, you're looking at a 30,000+ PSI yield strength. In other words, with a properly thought out structure, you're going to bend frame rails before you fuck up that bumper.

I've been procrastinating the building of a bumper for my rodeo for months now. I had a quick little perimeter structure welded up and it's been all but abandoned behind the shop for 4 months. I didn't like how it ended up and I think I will be starting over. I want a winch mount but would like to keep it mounted ontop instead of in the front of the bumper. However, the placement of the frame rails relative to the area of the vehicle I wish to "protect" means that I'll end up with a ton of leverage on the frame rails if the winch is mounted atop the bumper. Not to mention that the bumper itself will end up being rather tall, and as such, any impact will place excess leverage on the mounts.

It's a design quirk I can't get around and one which frustrates me.
I’m doing something similar with my next bumper. The winch will be high and tight. Because the winch will be so high it will put a ton of leverage on the frame, so I will be tying it into the engine cage I’ll be doing here shortly. My current bumper has the winch pretty high but I have a lot of support to distribute the load better. My next bumper won’t have the same supports due to being much higher clearance so the only option is the tie it into the engine cage up high instead of down low like my current design.

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I’m doing something similar with my next bumper. The winch will be high and tight. Because the winch will be so high it will put a ton of leverage on the frame, so I will be tying it into the engine cage I’ll be doing here shortly. My current bumper has the winch pretty high but I have a lot of support to distribute the load better. My next bumper won’t have the same supports due to being much higher clearance so the only option is the tie it into the engine cage up high instead of down low like my current design.

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Ha I was thinking of making my next bumper a bit like that because my intercooler is huge. Thanks for the pics. Helps to see it with body lines
 
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