Im not going to sit here and be in a pissing match with you over the internet about this stupid bullshit and you being too stubborn to be open to suggestions or other possibilities of failure other than "it had to of been his fault". Its a waste of my time. Upon closer inspection I can see the hardware inside my front bump stops has started to tear a hole through the bump because it contacts under full compression pinching the rubber and tearing it. But clearly, that's my fault for using the included hardware that have been contacting the frame at full stuff since day 1 but as expected I was told that since I was the only one noticing the issue no change should be made to the proper hardware to give enough clearance.
Apparently you don't understand that I am talking with the gentleman that owns the truck AND is the one
who was driving it the day the bump stop failed. All I know is, the information you are providing as a third wheel is not the same information I received in messages on IG. If I really want to prove my point I can Copy/Paste those IG messages
for everyone to read what I am trying to
polity explain. Your story is BULLSHIT.
As I had asked before, "what else could I do?" other than offer the Full Refund and
suggest the true solution to your buddies suspension issues. Which is GAS BUMP STOPS FOR JUMPING / HIGH SPEED DRIVING. Your friend clearly stated that
he was hauling ass and jumping all day. Just like with your own Durobumps failure on your 3rd gen 4Runner when you were admittedly driving 55+mph on rough terrain for miles on Billsteins with 30,000+ miles on them...
Any chance you over heated the shocks and they shit the bed??? Of course SOMETHING is going to fail. Honestly I would be stoked to lose a $70 bump stop in that situation over a bent LCA or cracked shock tower.
Your expectations are unrealistic. In your opinion when are Gas Bump Stops needed? when do you start to think they are the realistic solution?? say over 45mph in whoops??
This isn't a pissing match at all, I am trying to determine what the most realistic cause could be because this failure has never happen before with this particular bump stop.
I am interested in looking into potential improvements if I can determine that one is needed. Instead of sorting through the potential causes and
FACTS of this failure I am having to sort through TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE STORY, Like Snowflake Kids. Just like I have already wasted my time to specifically explain to you through multiple messages on T4R "The reason your Durobump is chunking on your bolt head is because on a 3rd Gen 4Runner there is two bump stops per LCA. Our Durobump is
only acting as a pillow in the rear of the LCA and
still relies on the front OEM bump stop to provide the ultimate stop". You are exceeding what
your FRONT OEM bump stop can handle (wouldn't be surprised if it has a split in it
)
You also acknowledged on T4R (Funny no mention here on IFS) that you understood this 5-6 months ago when you replied by saying you were going to replace my provided JIS hardware with a button head Allen Bolt to reduce the bolt head height. But it appears you have forgot about that conversation.
If your front OEM bump stop was not being over compressed there would not be an issue is the bottom line. This is why I keep repeating the fact "You are out driving what your current suspension setup can handle."
I know this from my own personal experience of doing the identical thing.
I am however working on a second Durobump that is intended to be installed at the front of the LCA that is much stronger than the OEM and in turn it would also not allow the rear Durobump on the LCA to chunk on the hardware from over compression. This development was in direct response to our customers who installed Durobumps being able to obtain higher trail speed with Durobumps installed. it became clear that there was a need to also replace the FRONT OEM bump stop with an Aftermarket that could handle higher compression rates.
The truck wasnt jumped when the bump stop failed. The passenger side. The driver side was fine and ran for several more days which included jumping it. It is still intact now. the passenger side is the only failure that happened
BULLSHIT!!!
Your friend (The actual Customer with the failure) directly contradicts what you are saying... I am honestly not trying to argue or cause any issues. I asked him what he did the day of the damage and
he was straight up and honest about his day.
I really appreciated that and said that I would "Absolutely replaced his bump stop set" Then after looking at the picture of the failed bump stop I could see that washers were used as spacers. He told me the washers were your idea... I explained that if I were to replace the set of bump stops and he installed them the same way that he could potentially have the same failure"
Instead of lying and bullshitting him, I told him the TRUTH. He might be better
with another bump stop brand and that
I'll refund him in full. Our Durobumps are actually a fined tuned piece of art and by using spacers AND the High Speeds is what caused the bump stop to split. I already new this was a potential issue and that is why we do not offer spacers... (We do have a second size for this exact application BUT you thought you knew what you were talking about and you advised your friend in the wrong direction opposed to talking with a fellow IFS forum Member/Actual Manufacturer of the product.). All it would have taken was some communication .
All I have to work with is the information provided to me. Its clear that you guys drive hard and like I said to you on T4R I suggest Gas Bumps for the high speed and jumping you like to do. There is nothing wrong with how you like to drive, you just cant expect ANYTHING short of a Gas Shock to handle the that abuse. If your convinced that one of my competitors products is better PLEASE go try them out...
And one other Glaring issue with your story is you said the Bump stop "failed early on in poison spider mesa" Then you continued for several days jumping with only one good bump stop on the passenger side??? So with a failed bump stop you thought it was a good idea for your friend to keep driving like that??? What happen to the concern of protecting the shocks??? I would assume its obvious that a failed bump stop would also fail to properly stop the up travel and destroyed those 2.5 Radflos with the first jump... AND how is it that there wasn't any tire rub issues when continued jumping for several days on the driver side after the bump stop failed?
FYI - You are completely incorrect about RadFlo being comparable to KING. That's just ignorant. Radflo Is a good shock option above OEM, but they are not KINGS.
POUND SAND...