madtaco461
BRO-runner
I still have all the dumb books. Paid enough for them 10 plus years ago.
Define small in this instanceTo get the same exact outcome there would need to be a change, but the shock can have enough power to still be able to control a small spring rate change.
That’s shit I didn’t learn 32 years ago. Fuck I’m getting old.Right? That's calculus shit that I forgot 20 years ago.
Define small in this instance
I got my fronts from DSM. When I called to order them they swapped in the 700# springs and sent them out the same day. Knowing very little about valving(which I still have extremely limited knowledge) I wondered how they could use the same valving with the two different spring rates.
Fuck. I mean, probably. But it makes senseAs much as tw annoys me there is good info there. Just need to get more of that info here.
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To get the same exact outcome there would need to be a change, but the shock can have enough power to still be able to control a small spring rate change.
Maybe there's hope for me and my mall crawler set up.50lbs rate change if you didn't change the weight of the truck. 100lbs if you did change the weight of the truck.
Specifically based on spring rate and not taking vehicle weight into consideration, idk. Probably not that much of a difference. Vehicle weight has a much bigger effect relatively. Just never seen a rebound stack stiffer than the compression stack so i assumed it was backwards but then again the shim count says otherwiseWouldn't that be appropriate with a spring of a high spring rate?
Specifically based on spring rate and not taking vehicle weight into consideration, idk. Probably not that much of a difference. Vehicle weight has a much bigger effect relatively. Just never seen a rebound stack stiffer than the compression stack so i assumed it was backwards but then again the shim count says otherwise
Excited to learn whats going on there once someone figures it out
Karl that used to be the shock tuning and rebuilds guy at ADS is thug nasty with it so if he had a part in that valving it's more likely some fancy shit going on. Guess we'll seeSent an email to ADS because I haven't had time to call and hash it out. Hopefully I get a response in a day or two.
Karl that used to be the shock tuning and rebuilds guy at ADS is thug nasty with it so if he had a part in that valving it's more likely some fancy shit going on. Guess we'll see
Nvm thought it was just karl ( still all the valving from ads i've seen is usually very good)Thought the tuning guy's name was Keith? Either way if I don't get an answer by Friday afternoon I'll call next Monday. Project I'm on is about done so I'll have some free time by then. I'd rather get initial thoughts from them than playing with shims until I get it right.
Nvm thought it was just karl ( still all the valving from ads i've seen is usually very good)
Take everything i say with a grain of salt lol
Dunno any other names. Just karl from seeing him do all their rebuilds and lotsa tuning on ig mcmasterfabber and shocktalkI only remember Keith because we were talking about it at camp last trip out and the guy we were out with said he had been talking with Keith alot for tuning for his 3rd gen. @AssBurns has posted some pics of Robert's 3rd gen runner. They're currently doing a trailing arm set up on it after cutting off the 4 link set up.
Similar to a race tire/brake set up in F1. They only work once up to racing temps.To fill yall in a lil on the basic basics.. shocks just take the kinetic energy of your vehicle smackin stuff at speed and use the hydraulic resistance of the shims to transfer it to thermal energy in the shock oil. That energy radiates out of the shock instead of passing on to the chassis. This is why you generally don't see lil yotas on huge shocks because the vehicle doesn't have enough weight to heat up the oil in those shocks with reasonable valving.
Shocks cold during their usual use - too big/stiff, not doing enough work (in literal sense of the word work)
Shocks hot during usual use - too small/soft, doing too much work
Way more details to it in the nitty gritty but thats the idea behind it
Similar to a race tire/brake set up in F1. They only work once up to racing temps.
The set up has to be right for the usage. A one size fits all approach will be a compromise at best, and never work properly under any setting at worst.
In our set ups yes. But neither of us has 3.0s with bypasses either.Most of the trails we hit are right off Pavement from the gas stations so shocks should be warm from the drive out (2-4 or 6 hours)
In our set ups yes. But neither of us has 3.0s with bypasses either.
But even PAs shitty roads won't warm my shit up enough for a spirited high speed run that I can barely do on this coast. Last time I hauled ass down a trail like @Arcticelf does I ripped the sidewall out of a tire.
In our set ups yes. But neither of us has 3.0s with bypasses either.
But even PAs shitty roads won't warm my shit up enough for a spirited high speed run that I can barely do on this coast. Last time I hauled ass down a trail like @Arcticelf does I ripped the sidewall out of a tire.