SoCal BS Thread

[Nicklovin]

Fuck taco world
But if it wasn't for there I wouldnt know ½ the people on here.

I still look for good deals. This is a good deal but like I said I don't need it don't wheel enoughout: or hard enough to really use them.

These are not for a daily driver other than to look good.

Shit I found a pedal commander for $150
Crazy what a little box can do to a skinny pedal

 

[WileECoyote]

Yo what the difference between regular
And these Kinetic
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No fucking idea. They're heimed so adjustable camber/caster at the UCA. This guy is an idiot and half the problem with #ftw. He would have been fine if he knew what he was doing. I ran 35s with bushing non adjustable UCAs for a long while. I only went heims on uppers because I kept getting good deals on shit. If you need uppers, doesn't sound like a bad deal.

Love them so much he put 5k miles in 5 years. At that point he don't even know what they are capable of, besides what some inFLUencer on TW told him he can do.

Eventually, at SOME POINT, I plan on getting these.

I want a little more travel up front with the suspension. I guess one could consider it a form of "mid-travel" suspension.

Anyways, these are the ones I want to eventually get.

Danny, my real wonder is, do I need different/longer half shafts if I put these in since they have a little more travel over regular stock uppers control arms?

I would like to get these to install up front as well.

That is my planned setup for my front suspension.

 

[Octanejunkie]

Thanks Danny.

Yeah, it will be a while before I even get the bumper. Just doing as much "homework" as I can about the subject.

HAHAHA, now I need to learn the how to basics of winch recovery?

But yeah, I also read about steel vs aluminum lines and their associated fairleads.

Thanks brother for the info.

Happy to take you out for some recovery time with winch, straps, snatch block and shackles, as well as hi lift jacking.

You can check out my Smitty winch, and there are plenty of options out there in the 9000# sub $400 price class to choose from

I just upgraded from wire to syn, saved 55# off my front end.

 

[Octanejunkie]

Eventually, at SOME POINT, I plan on getting these.
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I want a little more travel up front with the suspension. I guess one could consider it a form of "mid-travel" suspension.

Anyways, these are the ones I want to eventually get.

Danny, my real wonder is, do I need different/longer half shafts if I put these in since they have a little more travel over regular stock uppers control arms?

I would like to get these to install up front as well.
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That is my planned setup for my front suspension.

You don't "need" extended CVs but you probably want to consider silicone boots and the extended boot mod.

How much lift are you planning on running?

 

[Octanejunkie]

Anyone have any experience with Thunderer Trac Grip M/T Mud Tires? I'm considering 285/75 R16 on 16x8 LC rims

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[4runner DOA]

Anyone have any experience with Thunderer Trac Grip M/T Mud Tires? I'm considering 285/75 R16 on 16x8 LC rims
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Personally I loved my km2s for wheeling, but I never really had them in snow or ice. MTs in general tend to be loud on road.

 

[WileECoyote]

You don't "need" extended CVs but you probably want to consider silicone boots and the extended boot mod.

How much lift are you planning on running?

No "lift", but just stock height. I don't know if you remember how my truck was? I just want a tad more wheel travel compared to what the stock "ball joints" would give. Or am I needing to do a bit more than just replace the upper control arms for a little bit more wheel travel?

Anyways, regarding the winch, I don't wheel as hard as most of you guys as I tend to stick to easy to moderate trails, but I've done SOME somewhat hard trails.

I like the bumper because I've always wanted to have a Baja style look and since it has a place for a winch I just want to fill that spot. If I'm going to go around town and displaying a winch, I want to know how to use it compared to these F'N wannabes I typically see with their super expensive setups and highly likely they don't even know WTF they even bought other than it "looks cool"???

I want to at least know the basics for winch recovery. That would be pretty cool Mike if you would show me some day? I watch a lot of "Matt's Off Road Recovery" on YT and see so many IDIOTS going places where they shouldn't or even have capable vehicles and still don't know WTF they're doing and get stuck?

My ultimate goal for my build is stock, but better than stock. I'm almost there actually.

 

[Octanejunkie]

Understood @WileECoyote and yes. I remember your rig from our Santiago run

In my experience, lift is relative to function. The Toyota IFS has actual geometric limits and understanding the design and its inherent limiting factors can help you build a capable and reliable rig; including maximizing wheel travel, both up and down. Watch this:

Regarding bumpers and winches, lots of options out there, buy what you want, buy what makes you happy. If you are gonna stick 100' is synthetic line on an open bumper plan on getting a winch cover: UV is not gentle on things, winch line included.

I don't use my winch often because I don't put myself in situations to need it, I have to drive my rig home. But I'm happy to go through the mechanics with you to help you make informed choices.

 

[WileECoyote]

Understood @WileECoyote and yes. I remember your rig from our Santiago run

In my experience, lift is relative to function. The Toyota IFS has actual geometric limits and understanding the design and its inherent limiting factors can help you build a capable and reliable rig; including maximizing wheel travel, both up and down. Watch this:

Regarding bumpers and winches, lots of options out there, buy what you want, buy what makes you happy. If you are gonna stick 100' is synthetic line on an open bumper plan on getting a winch cover: UV is not gentle on things, winch line included.

I don't use my winch often because I don't put myself in situations to need it, I have to drive my rig home. But I'm happy to go through the mechanics with you to help you make informed choices.

Thanks Mike for the input.

I'll definitely watch that video and I'm pretty sure I'll have some questions.

But yeah, I'm eventually getting the winch for two reasons 1) to fill in the spot 2) just in case situations

I try not to put myself in situations that would require recovery gear of any kind, but I have been there done that. Luckily my traction mats came in handy.

Other than that, I like to "explore more of the outdoors and trails" vs proving rock crawling skills and capability, but it's always nice to at least be prepared and give myself a chance to get out of a situation whether alone or with a group.

Thanks again for the input and video and I will watch and likely come back with some questions.

 

[HavingaGoodTime4x4]

Anyone have any experience with Thunderer Trac Grip M/T Mud Tires? I'm considering 285/75 R16 on 16x8 LC rims
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I like the look.
What you going for as far as an M/T?

Been looking into this option as well.

Been really happy with the wild peaks though

 

[madtaco461]

Anyone have any experience with Thunderer Trac Grip M/T Mud Tires? I'm considering 285/75 R16 on 16x8 LC rims
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Look like a more updated version of my cheap tires.
Heavy. Pretty hard to balance. Great grip on slippery hard pack dirt. Like to dig down instead of forward in sand. Loud. Throw rocks. Stable straight line at speed. Don't really chunk until they are old. Can't speak for the sidewall because I'm a load C. They run larger than most tires.

 

[madtaco461]

Anyone ever mod up their steering pump to put out just a bit more pressure and flow? I might try it on mine just to firm up my steering a bit.
There is a thread over at TW, but it's really not talked about anywhere else unless I'm doing the wrong search.
This guy has been drilling out his flow restrictor and removing shims from the spring seat for years.
Obviously a GM pump and oil cooler is the best option, but a $100 re-manufactured pump is a fraction of the price if you need just a small boost.

 

[Airdog]

Anyone ever mod up their steering pump to put out just a bit more pressure and flow? I might try it on mine just to firm up my steering a bit.
There is a thread over at TW, but it's really not talked about anywhere else unless I'm doing the wrong search.
This guy has been drilling out his flow restrictor and removing shims from the spring seat for years.
Obviously a GM pump and oil cooler is the best option, but a $100 re-manufactured pump is a fraction of the price if you need just a small boost.

Howe steering pump and never look back

 

[madtaco461]

Howe steering pump and never look back
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A first gen one is probably a bit cheaper to make steering work, but yeah that is a big pill to swallow for the little green shitbox.

 

[HavingaGoodTime4x4]

A first gen one is probably a bit cheaper to make steering work, but yeah that is a big pill to swallow for the little green shitbox.

Fun little green shit box! Wey!!

 

[WileECoyote]

Understood @WileECoyote and yes. I remember your rig from our Santiago run

In my experience, lift is relative to function. The Toyota IFS has actual geometric limits and understanding the design and its inherent limiting factors can help you build a capable and reliable rig; including maximizing wheel travel, both up and down. Watch this:

Regarding bumpers and winches, lots of options out there, buy what you want, buy what makes you happy. If you are gonna stick 100' is synthetic line on an open bumper plan on getting a winch cover: UV is not gentle on things, winch line included.

I don't use my winch often because I don't put myself in situations to need it, I have to drive my rig home. But I'm happy to go through the mechanics with you to help you make informed choices.

I watched the video.

Yeah, I don't plan on putting any lift and just leave it stock height. I'm also not going any bigger than 31 10's either.

I did understand "most" of what the guy was talking about, but I definitely need to rewatch a few more times to fully get it. So, not going to lie there.

My question though, I heard that removing the sway bar will help with wheel travel? In other words, I heard that it will help with downward wheel travel? The trade off is that your "side to side" is compromised since there is no more sway bar, which I get. I'm just wondering if what I heard is true in that removing the sway bar will increase downward wheel travel?

 

[Chris In Milwaukee]

I watched the video.

Yeah, I don't plan on putting any lift and just leave it stock height. I'm also not going any bigger than 31 10's either.

I did understand "most" of what the guy was talking about, but I definitely need to rewatch a few more times to fully get it. So, not going to lie there.

My question though, I heard that removing the sway bar will help with wheel travel? In other words, I heard that it will help with downward wheel travel? The trade off is that your "side to side" is compromised since there is no more sway bar, which I get. I'm just wondering if what I heard is true in that removing the sway bar will increase downward wheel travel?

Generally speaking yes. Since the left side of the suspension is tied to the right side of the suspension, with the sway bar attached each side is generally constrained by the other (keeping it simple). When disconnected, they're no longer affecting each other so they generally have the ability to travel farther. One could add a lot of "it depends" to this conversation, but in its simplest terms you're correct.

 

[4runner DOA]

I watched the video.

Yeah, I don't plan on putting any lift and just leave it stock height. I'm also not going any bigger than 31 10's either.

I did understand "most" of what the guy was talking about, but I definitely need to rewatch a few more times to fully get it. So, not going to lie there.

My question though, I heard that removing the sway bar will help with wheel travel? In other words, I heard that it will help with downward wheel travel? The trade off is that your "side to side" is compromised since there is no more sway bar, which I get. I'm just wondering if what I heard is true in that removing the sway bar will increase downward wheel travel?

Removing the sway bar allows each side to work independently. Think of the sway bar almost making your front end act like it's a solid axle. One wheel goes down the other goes up. In IFS that's a limiting factor. You lose a ton of on road handling but gain it off road.

 

[WileECoyote]

Generally speaking yes. Since the left side of the suspension is tied to the right side of the suspension, with the sway bar attached each side is generally constrained by the other (keeping it simple). When disconnected, they're no longer affecting each other so they generally have the ability to travel farther. One could add a lot of "it depends" to this conversation, but in its simplest terms you're correct.

Removing the sway bar allows each side to work independently. Think of the sway bar almost making your front end act like it's a solid axle. One wheel goes down the other goes up. In IFS that's a limiting factor. You lose a ton of on road handling but gain it off road.

Okay, that is what I thought and it makes sense.

Yeah, the only thing I'm honest worried about is the "sway" aspect? I use my truck for DD often, so...

I guess I can remove and drive it around for a little? I believe they're fairly easy to re-install?

Anyways, I want to finally get those Camburgs. I think that will be my first next "mod"?

Thanks guys and I gotta watch that video again and do more reading.

 

[4runner DOA]

Okay, that is what I thought and it makes sense.

Yeah, the only thing I'm honest worried about is the "sway" aspect? I use my truck for DD often, so...

I guess I can remove and drive it around for a little? I believe they're fairly easy to re-install?

Anyways, I want to finally get those Camburgs. I think that will be my first next "mod"?

Thanks guys and I gotta watch that video again and do more reading.

You might not have as much sway since you have a lighter front end and are lower to the ground that most of us. With added weight it becomes far more noticeable.