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Or buy everyone one out ...hilti Milwaukee home depot are all owned by thr same corporation i believe rigid and husky also fall into that group
Lolwut?

Hilti is a publicly traded company whose controlling shares are owned by a Hilti family foundation.

Milwaukee is owned by a parent company which also owns Ryobi. Among other, unrelated companies.

Rigid and Husky are both Home Depot house brands. Much like Mastercraft is a house brand of Canadian Tire. Canadian Tire contracts other companies to make their tools. Ex: Delta makes their portable planers.

DeWalt is owned by Stanley, as is Mac tools. Fun fact, DeWalt batteries go into a Mac gun, and cost less.

Bottom line, parent companies don't really mean much, beyond profit margins and general market niches.
 
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Or buy everyone one out ...hilti Milwaukee home depot are all owned by thr same corporation i believe rigid and husky also fall into that group
Not quite correct. But close enough. Everyone is in bed with everyone else coporately speaking.

TTI, the parent company of Milwaukee, actually manufactures Milwaukee, DeWalt, Rigid, Ryobi, Porter Cable as well as a few others.
Their manufacturing ability far exceeds their own needs so they make shit for other companies. Definitely not outside the norm for a China based manufacturer and certainly nothing new.
Try telling a die hard Chevy fan boy that his beloved Colorado was made in Texas next to a Tundra and watch the meltdown...lol
 

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The short answer is yes, they are just that good.

The long answer is a LONG answer.
I want the long answer now. :flipoff:
Or buy everyone one out ...hilti Milwaukee home depot are all owned by thr same corporation i believe rigid and husky also fall into that group
Lolwut?

Hilti is a publicly traded company whose controlling shares are owned by a Hilti family foundation.

Milwaukee is owned by a parent company which also owns Ryobi. Among other, unrelated companies.

Rigid and Husky are both Home Depot house brands. Much like Mastercraft is a house brand of Canadian Tire. Canadian Tire contracts other companies to make their tools. Ex: Delta makes their portable planers.

DeWalt is owned by Stanley, as is Mac tools. Fun fact, DeWalt batteries go into a Mac gun, and cost less.

Bottom line, parent companies don't really mean much, beyond profit margins and general market niches.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techtronic_Industries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Black_&_Decker

Yup. They all are owned and manufactured by the same companies but doesn't equal same quality.
 

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Not quite correct. But close enough. Everyone is in bed with everyone else coporately speaking.

TTI, the parent company of Milwaukee, actually manufactures Milwaukee, DeWalt, Rigid, Ryobi, Porter Cable as well as a few others.
Their manufacturing ability far exceeds their own needs so they make shit for other companies. Definitely not outside the norm for a China based manufacturer and certainly nothing new.
Try telling a die hard Chevy fan boy that his beloved Colorado was made in Texas next to a Tundra and watch the meltdown...lol
Didn't know TTI manufactured DeWalt. DeWalt being owned by Stanley Black & Decker would lead me to believe they would handle the manufacturing. Stanley is one of the largest toolers in the world.

Try telling a diehard Chevy fan that his Chevy has the same rear diff and transfer case as a dodge.

Back in the day, everything engine back was Dodge shared. :D

So what I said was right, then?
 
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Didn't know TTI manufactured DeWalt. DeWalt being owned by Stanley Black & Decker would lead me to believe they would handle the manufacturing. Stanley is one of the largest toolers in the world.

Try telling a diehard Chevy fan that his Chevy has the same rear diff and transfer case as a dodge.

Back in the day, everything engine back was Dodge shared. :D



So what I said was right, then?
TTI has huge manufacturing capability.
Add to that the all the corporate buy outs and sell offs makes the market very muddy and hard to grasp.
Porter Cable was purchased by a holding company that then licensed the name to a third party that designed a cheaper grade of tool to compete with Ryobi and had TTI manufacture it.
So TTI makes tools for a company it owns and also competitors. Hard to understand. Then you realize that TTI makes more money manufacturing tools for other companies then they do from their own brand. Mind blown.
Add to that the fact that the current CEO of Milwaukee Tool was the former CEO of DeWalt.
The sharks no longer compete with each other. They work together to eat all the seals.
 

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TTI has huge manufacturing capability.
Add to that the all the corporate buy outs and sell offs makes the market very muddy and hard to grasp.
Porter Cable was purchased by a holding company that then licensed the name to a third party that designed a cheaper grade of tool to compete with Ryobi and had TTI manufacture it.
So TTI makes tools for a company it owns and also competitors. Hard to understand. Then you realize that TTI makes more money manufacturing tools for other companies then they do from their own brand. Mind blown.
Add to that the fact that the current CEO of Milwaukee Tool was the former CEO of DeWalt.
The sharks no longer compete with each other. They work together to eat all the seals.
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Ever have one of those days when you probably would have made more money just staying in bed? Yeah, that was my day today. Every possible mistake that could have been made was. Twice. lol :headwall:
 

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Ever have one of those days when you probably would have made more money just staying in bed? Yeah, that was my day today. Every possible mistake that could have been made was. Twice. lol :headwall:
I had that on Monday.

I always found that after a day like that though, the rest of the week at least was smooth sailing. Almost like I need a reset on my brain.
 

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So TTI makes tools for a company it owns and also competitors. Hard to understand. Then you realize that TTI makes more money manufacturing tools for other companies then they do from their own brand
It's not hard at all to understand.

Revenue streams buddy.

The market shares of major brands don't fluctuate much. Guys buying DeWalt and Milwaukee aren't buying Ryobi and Rigid for the most part. And vice versa.

Dipping into both markets, or dealing on both sides of a niche, is economical.

GM owns 33% of VM Motori.
VM Motori makes the 3.0L EcoDiesel.
Dodge leases the use of that engine in their halftons.
Dodge makes chev money by selling EcoDiesels.

Dodge owned New Process Gear.
Chev used New Process Gear transfer cases and transmissions for 30 years.

Chev made dodge Lotsa money, until chev bought half of New Process and it was renamed New Venture Gear.

This attitude is really prevalent in the automotive industry. Partnerships all over the place.
 
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It's not hard at all to understand.

Revenue streams buddy.

The market shares of major brands don't fluctuate much. Guys buying DeWalt and Milwaukee aren't buying Ryobi and Rigid for the most part. And vice versa.

Dipping into both markets, or dealing on both sides of a niche, is economical.

GM owns 33% of VM Motori.
VM Motori makes the 3.0L EcoDiesel.
Dodge leases the use of that engine in their halftons.
Dodge makes chev money by selling EcoDiesels.

Dodge owned New Process Gear.
Chev used New Process Gear transfer cases and transmissions for 30 years.

Chev made dodge Lotsa money, until chev bought half of New Process and it was renamed New Venture Gear.

This attitude is really prevalent in the automotive industry. Partnerships all over the place.
Ford owns Mazda stock and vice versa.
GM owns Isuzu stock.
Chrysler did(and probably still does) own Mitsubishi stock.
I forget when it ended, but to the Tundra plant was building Colorado's and Canyons for GM. When that contract ended they started building Tacos there.

It's all a big club. Everyone is making money so why fight each other when it is more profitable to get along and work together to control the market.
 

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Ford owns Mazda stock and vice versa.
GM owns Isuzu stock.
Chrysler did(and probably still does) own Mitsubishi stock.
I forget when it ended, but to the Tundra plant was building Colorado's and Canyons for GM. When that contract ended they started building Tacos there.

It's all a big club. Everyone is making money so why fight each other when it is more profitable to get along and work together to control the market.
Ford sold off most of their Mazda stock when they sold off Aston Martin. It's part of how they avoided a bailout (along with taking govco money for "retooling", lulz).

GM doesn't own much of Isuzu. Less than 10%. GM uses Isuzu engineers, and vice versa, quite a bit. Even poaching a few related to the Duramax development and then setting up D-MAX in North America (to get away from the 'hurr durr import diesels are bad' idea that some idiots cling to).

Chryco and Mitsu had a full on brand together. DSM/Eagle.
 
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I love the Cummins fan boys that shit on the Duramax calling it rebranded Isuzu. Isuzu and Mitsubishi makes some of the most durable, efficient diesels in the world. And they make and sell a metric fuck ton of them.
 

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I love the Cummins fan boys that shit on the Duramax calling it rebranded Isuzu. Isuzu and Mitsubishi makes some of the most durable, efficient diesels in the world. And they make and sell a metric fuck ton of them.
My duramax had 200k and ran strong as fuck . I felt like it was just breaking in. The 4x4 fucked up on my and the turbo was failing ( previous owner has a wet filter ) due to dirt build up
 

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I love the Cummins fan boys that shit on the Duramax calling it rebranded Isuzu. Isuzu and Mitsubishi makes some of the most durable, efficient diesels in the world. And they make and sell a metric fuck ton of them.
To be fair, the original 6.6 design was an Isuzu engineering work.

Chev saw the writing on the wall with the "Murica built!" Bullshit, and decided after the second update, that they would do what was necessary to say their engine was made in murica.

Whoa whoa whoa, don't be calling mitsu automotive diesels any good too fast there boss.
They're underpowered for their economy, and they're really fucking needlessly complex (speaking from 4d56 and 4m40 experience)

Isuzus I'll give you. They make one great diesel.

A big reason those import makers are more due efficient is that they don't mind running a higher rpm for power with a lower powered general driving rev band. They also don't follow the same "power at all costs" philosophy as north american automotive diesel makers. An ISB Cummins makes 50-100 more HP than a comparably sized 6hk1 Isuzu, and the economy shows similarly.
 
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