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Reason for 4wd is I plan to do a lot of desert trips. Sad and mud is no bueno when you have a 10k lb trailer behind you. Not sure I want a dually. Stopping power seems great, but being wide as shit kinda sucks.

We had the 2500 version of the dually in 4wd before this (same truck, without the second pair of rear wheels) - I did have to use 4lo to get a 2 car trailer out of a muddy field in Newfoundland, so it was certainly useful at that time, but I think the low first in the dually probably would have worked for that as well. The 2500 scared the shit out of me when stopping that trailer, however.
 

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still, haven't used it; even when pulling (loaded) gooseneck.

Well, I actually used it (1st gear) last Sunday to pull a stuck F350 out of a neighbor's muddy back yard.
(then I used the triple-locked FZJ80 to go back there and pull out the trencher - what the Ford was trying to rescue in the first place) :)
 

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We had the 2500 version of the dually in 4wd before this (same truck, without the second pair of rear wheels) - I did have to use 4lo to get a 2 car trailer out of a muddy field in Newfoundland, so it was certainly useful at that time, but I think the low first in the dually probably would have worked for that as well. The 2500 scared the shit out of me when stopping that trailer, however.
So you are saying is dually is really the way to go if I get 3500?

Well, I actually used it (1st gear) last Sunday to pull a stuck F350 out of a neighbor's muddy back yard.
(then I used the triple-locked FZJ80 to go back there and pull out the trencher - what the Ford was trying to rescue in the first place) :)
And you are saying that 4wd is worthwhile...
 

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Yes, IMO - if you aren't going to daily drive it.


No - the Ford was also 4wd. I'm saying lighter is better when you need 4wd. :)
(and a subliminal pro-Toyota message)
My goal is to not daily drive a full size truck. Maybe once a week or two; or when towing.

I think I'll stick with 4wd either way. Something about having 4wd just gives me peace of mind when out in the desert towing. So far I've been pretty lucky with my 2wd tundra, but I don't tow much and pay close attention to where I go. Limited slip helps a lot.
 

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Don't get an early Dmax. 01-03 Dmaxes are down 70hp on an 04+.
They also have issues as detailed earlier.

Daily'ing a fullsize is easy. Dunno where you get this from.

You don't need a dually. Duallies have a higher axle GVW, not a higher or better towing cap. Infact, an SRW one ton often has a better towing cap because you aren't dealing with as much GVW being eaten up by the truck itself. Same with 4x4. 4x2 trucks usually have the better towing cap and payload.

Duallies are built for a 6,000+ pound payloads and 25,000lb towing caps.
You aren't doing that. A standard modern 3/4 ton will tow 14,000lb.
 

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Don't get an early Dmax. 01-03 Dmaxes are down 70hp on an 04+.
They also have issues as detailed earlier.

Failing a fullsize is easy. Dunno where you get this from.
Good to know!

Not saying it's hard, but I just don't like driving a big truck with shitty suspension and huge turning radius. I just don't enjoy driving a truck. I personally like driving something smaller with balanced suspension frequencies. Trucks have decent front suspension but the rear (especially on a 3/4 ton or 1 ton) is way too stiff without any load. I'll probably end up with a Lexus ES350 for a daily. Something nice, comfortable, reliable, enough power to not feel like a slow ass sedan. It more preference than ability.

I also don't live in the great plains where everything is wide open for miles kilometers around. I live in the suburbs of the metro areas.
 

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My goal is to not daily drive a full size truck. Maybe once a week or two; or when towing.

I think I'll stick with 4wd either way. Something about having 4wd just gives me peace of mind when out in the desert towing. So far I've been pretty lucky with my 2wd tundra, but I don't tow much and pay close attention to where I go. Limited slip helps a lot.

Well, you do have a fairly capable rig on the trailer. If the tow pig gets stuck I bet you could use your rig to yank it out pretty quick. lol

But yeah, you should have got a 4x4 like we all said. lol
 

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The rear end of a hauling rig is best served with aftermarket progressive springs, high quality shocks, and not running GVW rated psi in the rear tires unless towing.

Too many folks driving around empty with 65lsi in the tires.
 

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My tundra is rated at 10,600. I've only done maybe 5k and it does it no problem

I short changed you by 600lbs.

Towing 5k is no problem with the tundra. But tow 9k and then let’s talk. People don’t care that you are towing and can’t pick up speed or stop on a dime. Then they cut you off and let’s see how the truck and trailer react.

2020 tundra =33k tow 10,600lbs
2020 2500hd=34k tow13,000lbs

the tundra’s a good but for the price I take the 2500hd.
The 2.400 lbs is a big difference.
 
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I currently have an 02 F250 7.3 auto, I have had it several years now and several different trailers with various loads behind it. Is it the 550 hp Detroit that I drive every day? No, it has however performed great no matter what I put behind it, and delivered respectable fuel mileage (19/20 empty 14/16 loaded). I did just recently spend a chunk on the transmission on a full rebuild with upgraded internals. I’ve owned a few other 7.3s and don’t want anything else.
 

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I currently have an 02 F250 7.3 auto, I have had it several years now and several different trailers with various loads behind it. Is it the 550 hp Detroit that I drive every day? No, it has however performed great no matter what I put behind it, and delivered respectable fuel mileage (19/20 empty 14/16 loaded). I did just recently spend a chunk on the transmission on a full rebuild with upgraded internals. I’ve owned a few other 7.3s and don’t want anything else.

hey Jason! I enjoyed the tow rig discussion on the podcast, btw. (I'm a Ram/Cummins dually guy over here. :) )
 

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I short changed you by 600lbs.

Towing 5k is no problem with the tundra. But tow 9k and then let’s talk. People don’t care that you are towing and can’t pick up speed or stop on a dime. Then they cut you off and let’s see how the truck and trailer react.

2020 tundra =33k tow 10,600lbs
2020 2500hd=34k tow13,000lbs

the tundra’s a good but for the price I take the 2500hd.
The 2.400 lbs is a big difference.
I wasn't saying they're the same lol I'm a half ton not 3/4 ton. Obviously you can tow more I was saying it's probably close....which it is....13k for a 3/4 ton is pitiful lol. Plus it's a chevy so everyday you drive it is a gamble haha
 

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I wasn't saying they're the same lol I'm a half ton not 3/4 ton. Obviously you can tow more I was saying it's probably close....which it is....13k for a 3/4 ton is pitiful lol. Plus it's a chevy so everyday you drive it is a gamble haha

No, 13,000lb for a 3/4 ton is not pitiful. It's all but regulated. After a certain axle GVW is achieved, regulations state that the vehicle must move to the next class. So to get higher towing caps, manufacturers have continuously increased the transmission and transfer case GVW, while maintaining the axle GVW ratings, since they are brutally underrated due to tires and brakes.
A Dana 60 from 1992 was rated at 4500 lb because of available tires and brakes. Dana rates a 60 at closer to 7,000lb from the C's in.

To get the crazy advertised "30,000lb towing capacity" or "9,000lb payload" some 1 ton trucks advertise, you have to get the factory 16.5" or even 19.5" wheel option with commercial tires and towing brake package.

Not to mention that 13,000lb is a 3,000lb trailer, a Toyota Camry, and a 3/4 ton truck. It's a shit load of weight.
 

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Well, you do have a fairly capable rig on the trailer. If the tow pig gets stuck I bet you could use your rig to yank it out pretty quick. lol

But yeah, you should have got a 4x4 like we all said. lol
I knew this truck was going to be sorta temporary. I just needed something that is reliable and can tow the 4runner. I was willing to sacrifice 4wd on this truck.
A dedicated tow rig will be 4wd forsure
 
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